Tuesday, November 25, 2008

anthropomorphising

That's not quite the right word for the concept I want to talk about, but I don't know what the right word is. I'm sure one of you all will help me out with that.

Anyway. I have to give you the tangential story that led me to today's line of thought. There's a story on my AOL welcome screen today about the Taliban acid attacks on young Afghani girls going to school and how the world is outraged. I felt about this the way I feel about all such similar things, like, say, American/Western outrage about female genital mutilation in Africa. There is nothing defensible about throwing acid on little girls for the crime of trying to get an education as there is nothing defensible about removing a girl's clitoris and/or sewing up most of her vaginal opening, no matter what your cultural norms are. Some shit is just wrong.

However, before we as Americans get outraged about this (with a thin sheen of unspoken "oh those savage barbarians!" coating our outrage) perhaps we should examine, and take care of, the injustices against women in our own country and culture. I just signed a petition last week about US servicewomen being made to pay for their own fucking rape kits when they are raped (usually by a fellow serviceman). I don't know what is more stomach-turning, that a raped women would be charged for the collection of evidence needed to press charges, or that a US soldier, fighting for her country, would have to fear her own compatriots as well as the enemy. I'm pretty "outraged" about both those things.

Or--and I promise we're getting to the point of this all real soon--I was thinking, you want to wring your hands about the Taliban's twisting of religion to the point where mutilating a woman or girl is somehow justified, how about the members of several different religious groups here in America who are working really hard to get a woman's right to a legal abortion taken away from her even in the case of rape, even in the case where the mother would likely, or certainly, die in the event she continued the pregnancy. That even a six-week-along glob of fetal tissue would have more rights and more worth to these people than an adult woman, a woman with friends and a family and perhaps other children, perhaps a job, perhaps a talent or a gift for something or other, someone with definite worth and value and contribution to society, I find that as hand-wringingly religiously-twisted as any other bit of faith-based cruelty. And I find it kind of incomprehensible.

But then I was thinking about why people feel that, in an attempt to comprehend. Did any of you all see Lake of Fire? It's one of the few documentaries I've ever seen that really looks at an issue fairly and with balance to all sides. That no matter *what* your own preconceived and firmly held beliefs about the subject are, at some point during the film, you'll be questioning them. It's kind of remarkable that way. Well, anyway, someone at some time in the movie makes a point about how differently you as the parent of said fetal tissue feel about its personhood depending on whether the pregnancy is dearly wanted and hoped for or not, and I thought, bingo!

When you are pregnant with a pregnancy that you are going to carry to term, and you are at a prenatal visit and you hear the heartbeat for the first time, it's exciting. It makes the fetus *feel* like a baby to you, like the potential person they're going to be. When, really, why should it? Lots of pretty primitive creatures have heartbeats. It doesn't imply personhood at all. And there's a fetal heartbeat long, long before there's any real brain function, certainly long before there's even a possibility the fetus can think or feel or have any kind of consciousness at all, all of which are far more important to personhood than electrical activity in cardiac tissue, I think/hope we would agree. But because you want the baby so much, because in a way you're already falling in love with the baby, or at least the idea of the baby, the heartbeat makes you anthropomorphise that fetal tissue. It's symbolic.

And for many people who have nothing to do with anyone else's pregnancy other than sticking their noses in, that tendency to anthropomorphise fetal tissue comes not from the fetus as a symbol of a future person whom they will love, but as a symbol of The Innocent. Human beings have an innate predisposition to wanting to protect the weak, the helpless, the cute. (Which is a good evolutionary strategy to keep us from chucking our own, or other people's, crying babies over a cliff, y'know?) And while fetuses are not cute, they are certainly weak and helpless.

It's the same tendency that caused people to want to string up Michael Vick over the dog fighting thing. I mean people kill, rape, mutilate, torture, and otherwise fuck up and fuck over other human beings every single freaking day; in that context, dog fighting, while not defensible, is also not by a long shot the worst crime a person can commit. We've seen our pro athletes accused of far worse. But, ooooo, doggies, they're so cute and sweet. (And you people know I love animals. But the hysteria and outrage whipped up over that case was ridiculous.)

So, in that context, the reason some people would value the rights of a clump of fetal tissue over the rights of an adult (not weak, not helpless, not so cute) woman is perfectly understandable. Well, especially when you add to it that that adult woman has been proven to have had sex(even if it's married sex or forced nonconsensual sex), which is the other part that flips these religious whackos out. But anyway, it's a good object lesson to me: every time human behavior or ideas pop up that have no logical explanation to me, I can, if I try hard enough, probably figure out what primitive instinct or drive they're serving instead of logic.

I'll shut up now.

xoxo

17 comments:

Uncle said...

Long before Roe v. Wade, I had the Soc Department's card-carrying curmudegeon as my Social Problems prof. We had a unit on abortion, which was no small deal, in a day when many of us were one or two degrees of separation away from someone who had had an abortion botched either in the back alley or self-inflicted. One of the more self-righteous in the class finally said, "when do *you* think a fetus becomes a person, Dr. P?" He swung around and roared, "WHEN IT'S SOCIALISED!"

I guess I still think that.

Uncle said...

Oh yeah, and knowing about paying for the rape kits probably makes the bit about female soldiers supplying their own menstrual supplies fall into place. Not make sense, mind you, just a fit in a context.

malevolent andrea said...

Oh, it does indeed.

Craig H said...

Let's not forget then-mayor Sarah Palin's hand in setting similar policy in Wasilla, Alaska, until the Alaska state legislature stepped in and specifically outlawed the practice. I have no idea what these people are or were thinking, other than, obviously, that it wouldn't be their relative or significant other bloody and at the hospital at 2am.

As for female servicepeople being more at risk for sexual assault by their own brothers in arms than victim of any sort of mayhem at the hands of the so-called enemy, I'd say we take advantage of the military's license to execute offenders and get back to good order in the ranks.

Hoo-Rah

Anonymous said...

[E]specially when you add to it that that adult woman has been proven to have had sex (even if it's married sex or forced nonconsensual sex), which is the other part that flips these religious whackos out.

I think that's a big part of the anti-abortionist's base appeal: Sex is a sin (for women), sluts who have sex should be punished for it, the ultimate punishment is to saddle them with a baby for the next 20-life.

They claim to care so much about the baby, yet the subtext is: "you made your bed, now lie in it". They really do care about that baby: as a punishment for the mother and the scarlet letter of actually having had sex.

However,
religious groups here in America who are working really hard to get a woman's right to a legal abortion taken away from her even in the case of rape, even in the case where the mother would likely, or certainly, die in the event she continued the pregnancy.

Honestly, I think for consistency they have to take that stance. I mean, if their position is that the moment the sperm hits the egg that's human life that can't be "murdered", why should the circumstances of that conception matter? It's neither legal nor moral to kill a 25-year-old even if they exist as the result of rape, or incest, or their mother died delivering them. So if that fetus is immediately a "person", it shouldn't be any more moral to kill that unborn "person" either. And if that fetus isn't a "person", why should any abortion be banned at all?

I respect the ones who say "no abortion under any circumstances" far more than those who allow exceptions, cause at least the former is logically and morally consistent, while the latter stance isn't at all, so far as I can see. Those exceptions are essentially the sop they're giving to the moderates so they can get their religiously based abortion prohibition past the public smell, morality, and reality test.

malevolent andrea said...

Except it's *not* consistent IMO if allowing the fetus to live kills the mother. In that case, *someone's* life is going to be taken, and they're unilaterally picking the mother as the one to be offed. If they believe that a person has the right to take another person's life in the case of self-defense, then the mother has as much right to abort the fetus as she does to shoot an enemy soldier who's shooting at her, even if the fetus *is* a person.

But I understand what you're saying. In Lake of Fire (I believe), they interview some Catholic bishop or cardinal [I can't remember who] who is consistently anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-war, who believes there's absolutely no right for a human being to tske another human being's life under any circumstances, end of story. It's not a position I agree with, but it is morally unwavering and internally consistent.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the life of the mother is obviously a problem to the consistency of hard-lined anti-abortionists.

Not for Jews, though:

"Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother's life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

"An unborn child has the status of "potential human life" until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother's, because you cannot choose between one human life and another."

http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm

This passage doesn't say it, but in other places I've found that it's not just the life of the mother, but life and health of the mother... and health of the mother includes mental health.

When you remove the fetus = full human life Catholic idea that the evangelical Christians have grabbed onto as a way of punishing women's sexuality, the answers are a whole lot clearer.

(There's a lot more, diverging Jewish answers if you dig deeper, but they're mostly edge cases that fit into the above framework. Some examples here: http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Abortion_in_Jewish_Law.asp from a fairly conservative source).

Bayou Moon said...

I just happened upon your blog and thought that I'd add my two cents. I am a religious person and I have never heard of or read any anti-abortion person object to an abortion to save the life of the mother. I think that is something pro-choice people make-up in order to feel superior, because they really don't have a rational defense to their position. Pro-choicer's can never rationally come up with a point at which an abortion is immoral. But, if you press them and they are intellectually honest they will all say that it would be immoral for a woman in labor with a fully developed healthy baby to have an abortion simply because it was the wrong sex. Also, I don't believe a person's worth can be determined by how many people "love" them, or what they can contribute to society. That's the logic that has lead to every genocide in history. All people have, dare I say, equal value, given to them by God, not man. If we let man decide who has value and who doesn't, will you know what happens.

crispix67 said...

Well..I had this wonderful reply all ready in my head for Bayou Moon...but my tired brain let it slip away.

Lets just say...you dont have a clue.

While my views on abortion have changed since my 20's when I was VERY pro choice...working in an ER and seeing miscarried fetuses will do that...as well as having a best friend go to full term then have her baby be stillborn... I still believe it is a womans choice, her right, and no religious group nor government has the right to interfere.And, if being pregnant will kill her...yes, it should be aborted.

Bayou Moon said...

And just for the record. I am a religious Christain, but contrary to popular belief, I like sex, I don't want to punish women or any one else for having sex or getting pregnant, I don't think a baby is punishment and if I had to choose between saving a newborn baby and a full grown woman who I knew had had an abortion just for the fun of it, I'd have a hard time deciding. Have all the sex you want, just try not to hurt anybody.

malevolent andrea said...

I *wondered* if my one and only blog post about a controversial issue was gonna bring in random commenters to tell me I'm wrong. (This kinda thing never happens when I'm agonizing over what light fixture to buy, I'll tell you what.) It's kinda like the time the unknown Mariah Carey fan dropped by to bitch us all out :-)

Anyway, here's one example of "no exemptions, ever": http://www.rightremedy.org/tracts/9

I found that easily enough with, I dunno, 2 minutes of googling. So, no, I don't think it's something totally made up by pro-choicers to feel superior.

Uncle said...

Funny, Andrea, I was just congratulating you the other day on the quality of the dramatis personae. I trust I wasn't premature.

http://wncldrwg.blogspot.com/2008/11/regarding-moderation.html

malevolent andrea said...

:-)

I just can't wait for Mr Barma to see what he missed while he was out drinking at the Celtics game :-)

Bayou Moon said...

Okay you're right there are people who hold that abortion is wrong in any case. I didn't look it up - I'll take your word for it. I just got a little defensive reading some of the responses to your post. I was searching for images of "shingles" and came to your blog. Anyway, I was trying to demonstrate that someone could think abortion was wrong, be Christain and be rational. I would like to believe that even if I weren't religious that I would still think most abortions were immoral. Do you think any atheists think abortion is wrong? Reading responses to your post I get the feeling that Christains are viewed as the root of many evils, a view that probably has been earned. I honestly thought you would like feedback to the contrary of your own ideas. I always enjoy a challenge, but I understand not everyone does. I'll move on.

malevolent andrea said...

Bayou Moon, I'm sorry if you felt attacked. *My* use of "religious whackos" certainly isn't meant to include all Christians, just as I certainly don't think all Muslims are Taliban-equivilants who would throw acid on little girls in the name of Allah. And the fact that you came here via the cyberchondria post on my rash :-) rather than that you go *looking* for people posting pro-choice statements so you can argue with them, is reassuring. So, again, my apologies for assuming the worst about that.

Have you seen Lake of Fire? (You can Netflix it.) Like I said, I think no matter what your abortion views, at some point during the film, you'll be looking at them from a new angle. I certainly did.

Bayou Moon said...

Thanks Andrea, nice blog you have. One day I will actually use the one I set up and quickly forgot about. I only remembered I had it when I tried to post to yours and it ask me to log in!

I have not heard of Lake of Fire - I will look it up on Netflix. Thanks for the recommendation.

Now back to trying to figure out if hubby has the shingles. It sure looks like shingles and he has been feeling generally ill, but he says the rash doesn't hurt so that has me puzzled. I guess I'll send him to the dermatologist on Friday if I can get him in. Anything to stop the moaning :-)

Craig H said...

The NBA certainly has nothing on the moral competition surrounding the issue of abortion. (Game was fun, tx!)

Me and my $8 TD Banknorth Garden beer consider it none of anyone's GD business (let alone our government's) whatever our neighbors might find necessary or right to do in such a private and personal situation.

Seems very Taleban-like to legislate otherwise. (Oh, yeah, I know, the difference is that you're right and they're wrong, except, for folks like me, it's really really hard to tell the difference sometimes, and, yeah, those abortion clinic bombings don't help matters).

Perhaps we might spend a portion of this energy on teaching people how not to get un-wantedly pregnant.